1/2 🚨Today, we’re welcoming in Brussels @signalapp's @Mer__edith, @CommissionerHR @dunja_mijatovic & @epfl's @carmelatroncoso among other experts & policymakers to discuss #encryption & privacy.
We're also pleased to have @cdteurope's Iverna McGowan moderate the discussion 🌟 & to hear from Noémie Levain, Legal Expert at @LaQuadrature, Beatriz Ramalho da Silva, Investigative Journalist at @lhreports & Bart Staszewski LGBTI+ activist, founder and chairman of Basta Fundacja 🤩
EDRi
•2/2 Given the grave consequences for the lives of many, it is crucial that everyone’s privacy is ensured.
⚠️Yet, the CSA Regulation #CSAR could undermine encryption & enable mass surveillance.
Read more in @euronews ⤵️ https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/25/are-we-about-to-lose-the-last-pillar-of-our-digital-security
Are we about to lose the last pillar of our digital security?
Euronews (Euronews.com)pglpm
•grin
•I find this very weird. You blame the EU for creating EU regulations, using EU processes and using EU input?
I can't imagine EU starting a global referendum where the USA, China, Russia, North Korea and Satan knows who would "provide their democratic inputs"…
Seems logical to be a member to change the EU rules, doesn't it?
pglpm
•@grin @euronews In a true democracy, such invasive and drastic regulations are always decided by asking the people (in this case, EU citizens) directly, to make sure it's really what the people ('demo') want. If EU passes such an invasive regulation without asking the citizens directly, then it isn't based on democratic principles.
Not sure why you mention USA, China, and so on.
grin
•@pglpm @euronews the post was about consulting with the industrial professional(s), especially with one who's a pioneer of privacy protection.
While general referendum is a good thing the generall masses aren't always knowledgeable about legal and technical details; you're talking about people using Viber and Facebook Messenger.
USA, China was mentioned because they would like to have the opposite the EU is striving for: less privacy, more state control.
pglpm
•@grin @euronews
I get your point, but the argument about "knowledge of the masses" is extremely dangerous. For better or worse, "democracy" means the masses decide, whether they're knowledgeable or not. The moment a regulating body say "I know better, I'll do otherwise", then democracy is broken. It's easy to justify oligarchic or dictatorial regimes with this kind of arguments.
I'm not saying there's no problem – today's general lack of education is a huge problem. But it isn't solved by eliminating democracy – then we have two problems instead of one. [Edit: it can also become an incentive for the governing body to keep some level of ignorance in the masses.]
Also, the argument oversimplifies things too much. "Masses" consist of very heterogeneous components. They also comprise knowledgeable individuals. Who might be against particular law proposals. The "not-knowled
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I get your point, but the argument about "knowledge of the masses" is extremely dangerous. For better or worse, "democracy" means the masses decide, whether they're knowledgeable or not. The moment a regulating body say "I know better, I'll do otherwise", then democracy is broken. It's easy to justify oligarchic or dictatorial regimes with this kind of arguments.
I'm not saying there's no problem – today's general lack of education is a huge problem. But it isn't solved by eliminating democracy – then we have two problems instead of one. [Edit: it can also become an incentive for the governing body to keep some level of ignorance in the masses.]
Also, the argument oversimplifies things too much. "Masses" consist of very heterogeneous components. They also comprise knowledgeable individuals. Who might be against particular law proposals. The "not-knowledgeable masses" argument would take away from them the power to decide.
So a referendum is not just a good thing, it's absolutely necessary in situations like this. If it doesn't take place, then the whole regulating/governing body smells fishy.
grin
•I support your point, though, and I suggest you to contact your MEP and look into their eyes and say "people need that". If you need my "meetoo" just ask.
Kevin Karhan :verified:
•I hope you'll ask @signalapp serious questions like:
... show more- Why do they collect #PhoneNumbers?
- Why do they not offer their #App outside of #GooglePlay [i.e. @fdroidorg ]?
- Why do they #centralize their #app and #infrastructure?
- Why do they keep their organization and infrastruture in the #
I hope you'll ask @signalapp serious questions like:
- Why do they collect #PhoneNumbers?
- Why do they not offer their #App outside of #GooglePlay [i.e. @fdroidorg ]?
- Why do they #centralize their #app and #infrastructure?
- Why do they keep their organization and infrastruture in the #USA where they'll be subject to #CloudAct and other #Cyberfacism?
- Why don't they allow #SelfHosting the #backend?
- Why can't users do #SelfCustody of their Keys??
https://eupolicy.social/@edri/111130456270301371
EDRi
2023-09-26 08:16:30
grin
•1) for identity and absue control
2) non open components
3) it's designed so, you want a different service
4) sounds like a religious question, that country you mean doesn't exist
5) they allow, you just missing parts?
6) because that'd be a different service?
Kevin Karhan :verified:
•grin
•Why a centralised service is not decentralised? Why a service chosen phone numbers as external verification doesn't do it differently?
If you dislike Signal, use something else, don't try to tell them to change their service. You may make suggestions, but demands aren't the way it's working.
Kevin Karhan :verified:
•@grin @euronews @fdroidorg you miss the point:
#Signal has to convince me - and all other critics - to trust them, not the other way around.
And they certainly refuse to acknowledge said issues or provide transparency for "why"...
And that's always a bad sign!
grin
•Kevin Karhan :verified:
•@grin @euronews @fdroidorg
What work?
All I see is a huge-ass #honeypot that puts #ANØM to shame and gets #TechIlliterates into a false sense of security like a 10kW floodlight does to moths...
If they were interested in it being #secure, they'd decentralize it so hard that even if one were to put a gun on every single of their staff members at once they could not shut it down.
Like @torproject did from the beginning!
Kevin Karhan :verified:
•@grin @euronews @fdroidorg
If "just use #Signal" was a working strategy, it would be illegal around the globe and would've gotten hacked like #EncroChat...
Oh wait, #CloudAct means they'll already have to integrate #Govware #Backdoors and #ITAR means they can't "export" secure #cryptography.
Kevin Karhan :verified:
•@grin @euronews @fdroidorg
That's why they do collect #PhoneNumbers: as to allow bith #MassSurveillance and #TargetedSurveillance based off #Metadata, and that metadata is being used to murder people, as admitted by the #NSA.
So don't be a fool, m8!
https://mastodon.grin.hu/@grin/111136228537875555
grin
2023-09-27 08:44:28
grin
•People know the algorithm, people know the metadata leaks, and (at least professionals) can judge whether to trust the known facts. You may chose to base your opinion on unknown factors and preceivements, that's your choice, but I cannot help you in that.
Kevin Karhan :verified:
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