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UK police were doing this donkey years ago - without any need for an app - why mention China???

The reason why I came here to D* was because, more than ten years ago, the UK police would read the posts of activists on Facebook etc. and on the day of a demo - e,g, a royal wedding - they would order the demo leaders to the police station in their home town, keep them waiting all day, then apologise and say there'd been a misunderstanding.....

"Cell phones are tracking and surveillance devices. They all enable the phone system to record where the user goes, and many (perhaps all) can be remotely converted into listening devices." src
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Years before that (2001) protesters were stoopped at the border from going to the G8 at Genoa !!!
27th G8 summit - Wikipedia The Italian government suspended freedom of movement entitled by the Schengen treaty for the duration of the G8 summit, in order to monitor the movement of the many protesters arriving from across the European Union.
Because that’s where C19 originated.
C19 isn't the problem.

The problem is the one of using phones and apps, but above all of believing stuff that someone told you.
other countries look at China to emulate their policies.
Do they? "Other countries" being our own countries.
The very ones who used to control China.....
If we took a closer look at our OWN governments, things might improve - instead of always pointing away over there and blaming countries about which we actually know nothing.

So we are supposed to believe what we are told by the very people controlling us?

Have we forgotten Echelon? Edward Snowden? Assange? Wikileaks...?
Strewth...

The people of UK are the most surveyed people in the world. That was even before the internet...
The use of credit and debit cards are far more dangerous - especially if the banks succeed in getting rid of cash.

All it takes is for your card or phone to be registered as stolen... (that would make a great excuse to stop you in your tracks.
@harry haller Everything is better with apps - surveillance included :)

Main problem here aren't apps themselves of course but the idea of normalizing level of surveillance. Sure they can track phones and cards. Nowadays face recogniton with CCTV is also a concern. But these apps were something new as they were pushed as something mandatory and new normal.

We still can choose not to use credit cards and cellular phones but it was/is different with these digital IDs. Not even IDs themselves but the idea of having to present them just to move around or visit public places and possibility of having them revoked at any time.

Same with the idea of mandatory check-in for visits and travel.
It’s about control, not safety.

Your mobile phone is not your friend - it can (and will) be your enemy. We should deal with these devices holding this knowledge forefront.
the idea of having to present them just to move around or visit public places

These phones are expensive, and there is a substantial monthly fee - many people cannot afford this...
I guess it depends upon your income level what you term "expensive". Myself, I find the cost significant.
Our cell phone bill is roughly $80 a month for a family of four. At our income level, we do not need this as a fixed cost. You have to realize that there are many millions of families just getting by on $30,000 a year or less. Any additional fixed cost is a problem.