Thanks to all of you who took part in my poll. So I have made my decision: I will no longer hashtag my art with #HumanArt, #HumanMade or #NoAI.
I've blogged about why this happened:
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article977/artificial-inteligence-why-i-ll-not-hashtag-my-art-humanart-humanmade-or-noai
Thank you for making me change my mind.
#krita #MastoArt
I've blogged about why this happened:
→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article977/artificial-inteligence-why-i-ll-not-hashtag-my-art-humanart-humanmade-or-noai
Thank you for making me change my mind.
#krita #MastoArt
Artificial Inteligence: why I'll not hashtag my art #HumanArt, #HumanMade or #NoAI
Website of David Revoy (aka Deevad), artist and instructor using only Free/Libre and Open-Source software since 2009.David Revoy
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yuvipanda
•David Revoy
•So, just grab the high resolution https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/misc__2023-06-29_This-is-not-fine_by-David-Revoy.html and print it ( on a USB pendrive; in supermarket there is booth to print big photos, or home printer, or color photocopies does a very good work nowadays).
This is not fine by David Revoy – Viewer - Pepper&Carrot
Pepper&CarrotAdam Dalliance
•There is no such thing as AI Art.
There are AI images, but there is no *art* in the images, because art is the product of human emotional connections to the subject, and all there's here is amalgams and machine associations.
Wish they'd just use #aiimage instead of #aiart
theo⏚ ✅
•Although, I'm not convinced that it's an issue for an AI to use data generated by other AI.
Just use near-slaves in 3rd world countries to to teach your system to generate something a human would expect.
Goofy 📖 🍝 :unverified:
•Adam
•Simeon Nedkov
•Olivier Saraja ☕️📚🦖🛸👻
•It is not to the humans to provide proof of their genuine work, but to the AI generated one to be tagged as.
You have all my support, old friend!
David Revoy
•Pixel_Lime
•David Revoy
•I hope you'll have many fresh days this season!
chrismckee
•David Revoy
•boingo-00 🦊 :fluffytail:
•I want to learn how to draw, but until i can, i have a tool for playing with my thoughts
David Revoy
•That's a new and interesting entry point to digital art.
Ivan Sagalaev :flag_wbw:
•Thanks for doing your part of keeping the Web human and interesting. I enjoy your work!
LumiWorx
•... speaking as a creator for 60+ years, most of us create because we must. It isn't rooted in money or fame, or from a request. It is an imperative that sustains our soul and our very human existence.
What we create - "art" included, in every sense of the word - is born from human expression and personal experience. A Spirograph is not an artist because it mimics a human with a pen. A CPU has no form of expression, nor code, nor a pile of gears. Art is not "the process"!
David Revoy
•> It is an imperative that sustains our soul and our very human existence.
Oh yes, and it took me time to realize it was a necessity to me for reaching a psychological balance.
LWFlouisa
•Glad other people are getting tired of the digital == aiart.
David Revoy
•LWFlouisa
•I make AI myself, but I very specifically such that it doesnt do web scraping and other unethical things.
So hearing FOSS is doing it gives me reason to hope.
Stemy
•David Revoy
•Evv1L :blobcatlaptop:
•Good art 👍
Agonio
•Just a note. You start by saying that you see people mistaking human art for AI, not able to appreciate the effort when it is there.
I believe this misses the issue. I don't think art is something you make to show off effort and skill... We need to move past that. This should resonate with the end of your post.
David Revoy
•> not able to appreciate the effort when it is there.
Yes, you are right. It shouldn't be related to effort or skill. But I couldn't refrain to write it, probably the frustration of spending all my hours and years of experience to get my paintings and being compared with someone texting something.
Thanks for the comment.
ArtfulGenie
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•Owl!🦉
•AI artists from civitai have already made a million of loras, trained on the midjourney outputs. For now it's more like compiler bootstrapping rather than "eating ourselves".
To be honest, I think the main problem with using generated images in training is that someone would say that even though the datasets contain no copyrighted hand-drawn images, it's still "unethical" , because they are generated using old models and continue this "ethics" shitpost.
In order for this to make sense, we first need to create some kind of model to which no one will have any complaints, and then start bootstrapping.
> I will continue to publish all under a permissive Creative Commons licence and with the source files, because that's how I like my art: free and libre.
Just at the moment when computer geeks came up with idea how they can use your images to create somewhat free and open source it turned out that it's forbidden. This... show more
AI artists from civitai have already made a million of loras, trained on the midjourney outputs. For now it's more like compiler bootstrapping rather than "eating ourselves".
To be honest, I think the main problem with using generated images in training is that someone would say that even though the datasets contain no copyrighted hand-drawn images, it's still "unethical" , because they are generated using old models and continue this "ethics" shitpost.
In order for this to make sense, we first need to create some kind of model to which no one will have any complaints, and then start bootstrapping.
> I will continue to publish all under a permissive Creative Commons licence and with the source files, because that's how I like my art: free and libre.
Just at the moment when computer geeks came up with idea how they can use your images to create somewhat free and open source it turned out that it's forbidden. This is funny.
I understand why you may not like midjourney, firefly, dalle2 and other non-free stuff (i don't like them too), but SD is completely free, open source and can be used or modified by anyone...
> With AI, AIArtists simply type in keywords for a subject.
No, we don't, stop it. With no control and editing at all ai draws random broken shit.
David Revoy
•> SD is completely free, open source
Yes, but not Free/Libre as GPL (src https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_Diffusion#License )
> it turned out that it's forbidden.
it's not, but if you do derivation of my art, you have to keep attribution. I should get credited in this regards legally in all AI images, because my art is part of the dataset. (but I don't want, that would be a nightmare). Also, got already ethical request to train on my art https://www.davidrevoy.com/article642/scientific-paper-sketch-to-line-art-by-waseda-university and accepted 😉
Scientific Paper: Sketch to Line-art by Waseda University
David RevoyOwl!🦉
•It's similar to more permissive licenses, i don't think this is bad.
> I should get credited in this regards legally in all AI images
This is technically possible, pic related.
However, result image isn't even bareilly similar to your drawings, also model contains information about thousands of other artist's drawings, which maybe or maybe not used to produce this shitty example test image...
Owl!🦉
•Among other things, your problem is that you reduce the whole process of using AI-art models to "entered three words - waited 8 seconds - got a picture", but this is not always the case. To be honest, I rarely use ai this way.
What do you think about this images, are they ai/unethical or not 🤔
https://lor.sh/@lonelyowl/110453224310859637
Owl!🦉
Among other things, your problem is that you reduce the whole process of using AI-art models to "entered three words - waited 8 seconds - got a picture", but this is not always the case. To be honest, I rarely use ai this way.
What do you think about this images, are they ai/unethical or not 🤔
https://lor.sh/@lonelyowl/110453224310859637
Owl!🦉
2023-05-29 17:47:31
David Revoy
•About the ethic, I have no idea what you are asking... what you used precisely? based on what dataset? and what you want to make with it? Also: not my job to comment on that, if you have an ethic, it's your job to communicate them.
Owl!🦉
•To be honest, I'm not particularly interested in organizing some ai art-education, I just want to stop being considered a subhuman.
> About the ethic, I have no idea what you are asking... what you used precisely?
The line to the pictures in this post was drawn by hand in procreate and colored by using a controlnet/canny, the model used is camelliamix_line v2 -> https://civitai.com/models/44195/camelliamixline
CamelliaMix_Line - V2 | Stable Diffusion Checkpoint | Civitai
civitai.comSybren Stüvel 🧡🤍
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•Resuna
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•Joan
•der.hans
•Thanks for sharing your art with us 😀
David Revoy
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