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If we can fit about 10-100K people on a Mastodon server,

and we've got 38M Canadians,

then we're going to need 400 to 4000 Canadian servers.

Let's start building them.

#cosocialca

http://cosocial.ca/

Welcome to CoSocial.ca

This is the future home of CoSocial.ca, an all-Canadian Mastodon cooperative. We will be online by late November 2022 so that you can have your own Canadian home on Mastodon—and help build this community together.
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#cosocialca
neville park
neville park  
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TBH I think the upper bound for a Mastodon server should not be "how many people can the server handle" but "how many people can the admins and mods handle". And if that's only 1000, 100, or 5, that's fine.

I've seen a lot of servers with growing pains, and it's not a technical issue, it's social—taking on users en masse without the resources to vet, moderate, and support them.
Johann "Squorb" Staedtler 🇨🇦
Johann "Squorb" Staedtler 🇨🇦  
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YES. There's a "social" part of "social media." It's easier to manage a single smaller instance, plus it is less likely to be reduced to the lowest common denominator of its members. And with Mastodon, anyone else can freely (and rightfully) block your whole instance if it harbours any number of bad actors.
neville park
neville park  
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As always, my playbook is @darius's https://runyourown.social.

How to run a small social network site for your friends

This document exists to lay out some general principles of running a small social network site that have worked for me. These principles are related to community building more than they are related to specific technologies.
runyourown.social
@Darius Kazemi
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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thanks. I actually have some experience setting up and running social sites, but I love reading Darius's words. And it's great to revisit with fresh eyes.
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𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼  
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@Johann Sebastian Staedtler 🇨🇦 Evan has quid a bit different ideas to set up communities than @Darius Kazemi
"If we can fit about 10-100K people on a Mastodon server,"

that seams to me a NO GO - jut to much
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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it's a napkin estimate for setting lower bounds on the number of sites in Canada.

If typical sites are 100 or 1000 people, that means we'll need 40K to 400K sites for all Canadians.

It's a lot!
𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼
𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼  
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@Evan Prodromou
"10-100K people on a Mastodon server"

the vision of the Fediverse is something different i thought -

It is more about this here: https://freedombox.org

Your businesses plans could also go more in this direction - Find ways so that every home has such kind of a box and that it can be operated easy

FreedomBox - Personal Server at Home

FreedomBox is a personal server running a free software operating system, with free applications designed to create and preserve personal privacy.
FreedomBox
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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maybe *your* business plans should go in that direction!

I'm not doing business plans. I've got a full time job already.

I'm just trying to set up co-op hosting so we can handle the #TwitterMigration as it comes in.
#twittermigration
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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also, I don't need a lecture on the vision of the fediverse.

I think we're probably done with this conversation.
Thomas Dell
Thomas Dell  
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Is there an advantage to keeping the Canadian userbase separate from the rest of the English-speaking world?
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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the main one is that membership in a Canadian co-operative is simpler if you're a resident Canadian.
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𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼  
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@Evan Prodromou why you are using

https://docs.google.com/forms

?? O boy, and we thought is is all about sovereignty

Google Forms: Sign-in

Access Google Forms with a personal Google account or Google Workspace account (for business use).
docs.google.com
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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do you have a quick Free and Open Source form builder you'd recommend?
Mike Fraser :Jets:
Mike Fraser :Jets:  
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We've already started https://thecanadian.social

TheCanadian.Social

Politics,sports,current events and laughs from Canada and across the fediverse.
Mastodon hosted on thecanadian.social
John Francis
John Francis  
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name has a bit of a CounterSocial vibe but I'll get over it.

Congratulations and really interested to see how it goes wrt the structure of the owning entity and how that's bound to the interest of the users/owners/subscribers
samrose
samrose  
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you were doing it before doing it was cool (again)
Paul Fuxjaeger
Paul Fuxjaeger  
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nice 👍

question:
„local servers per city or neighbourhood, but membership is national“
Do you already know how this can be pulled off? I’m kinda working on the same problem…
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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I don't understand what you mean. Socially? Legally? Technically?
Paul Fuxjaeger
Paul Fuxjaeger  
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technically. My assumption was:
National membership is required to join local instance
If so, it sounds to me like there needs to be a nationwide auth server?
Evan Prodromou
Evan Prodromou  
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sure, eventually. I think our plan is to have admin-authorized registration and have the mods check a database before approving the signup
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