My long-standing pet peeve with #Mastodon is the post character limit which forces people to make threads like on #Twitter. Sure, it's 500 characters which reduces the numbers of posts strung together, but it still results in a worse experience since posts are individually delivered to recipients unlike Twitter where they are presented together.
On my side, Mastodon threads are rarely complete unless the last post of the thread was shared with me, or they were each individually interacted with. It didn't have to be like this!
On my side, Mastodon threads are rarely complete unless the last post of the thread was shared with me, or they were each individually interacted with. It didn't have to be like this!
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•Also, I think the limits reduces the cost of hosting, but don't quote me on that.
Hypolite Petovan
•Of course I can't know for sure how much longer posts would be without this default limit in place, but what I do know is that this limit isn't the end-all-be-all of microblogging given the continued existence of multipart threads.
As for the performance gain of shorter posts, it is absolutely insignificant compared to the storage size requirement of uploaded images.
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•If you're on the web interface, you can browse a full thread by opening a post in a separate tab or window. This should open it in the post's own instance and provide the full thread.
And I agree, it's quite cumbersome.
Hypolite Petovan
•Also please don't assume people you're replying to are using the Mastodon web interface (think about mobile apps), for example I'm not even using Mastodon at all! And while #Friendica does a good job at gathering threads, it can only do so much with the posts it knows about.
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•Followers and mentions are the obvious answer, but anything beyond that is additional load on the network and servers, which becomes more and more important as the number of users and messages grows.
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•Any other instance will only have what they get through federation (i.e. messages from its users, to its users or by people followed by one of its users).
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Oblomov
•I applaud Friendica for doing this, since this undoubtedly improves the user experience, but how well will this scale when the number of users grows by a couple orders of magnitude? Especially when it can't use its own efficient API to do the filling?
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Oblomov
•Personally I'd really much prefer the experience to be seamless for me as a user, but if this is implemented at a cost that ends up affecting the UX in other ways, is it worth it?
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Backfill statuses from remote accounts when first subscribed · Issue #34 · mastodon/mastodon
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•Rather, one would have to ask why people insist on using the wrong platform (aside from lack of knowledge).
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Oblomov
•Or is the issue that you need to backtrack over potentially long inReplyTo chain in the first place? Would a link to the first post in the chain from anywhere down the chain help in this case?
Hypolite Petovan
•As I said in my original post, if A had shared the last post in the multi-part thread, I would have gotten the full thread. If A had liked each post of the multi-part thread, I would have received it in full as well.
This requires A to behave in a certain way because B was working around the character limit. It's not a big deal, but it is a peeve.
Oblomov
•But again, this has more to do with the way ActivityPub works than with the fact that Mastodon user split posts. Wouldn't you have the same issue Friendica-to-Friendica if not for the extra API to fetch the whole graph of a post+comments?
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•I actually had someone switch to their Friendica account to post a long reply to me, but I don't have one and I'm not going to get one just to reply to you
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•Actually, i use one of my friendica categories as blogging platform with super-long articles (that propably nobody ever reads :D ), but it definitely works for me.
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•Gargron kept asserting that they weren't necessary, but the GNU Social devs before him learned the hard way that they fixed all sorts of problems.
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•Still, Cory Doctorow's posts (I think he's on Mastodon?) still show up neatly as long threads for me on Friendica, so it does seem to work fine, at least in his case.
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