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COVID pandemic be to cease most activity, work, school, travel, everything for about 14 days, salaries paid up to a certain ceiling, and them from then on, closely monitor travelers? We've known about the contagious period length for a while.
Christos Panagiotakopoulos
•And I don't know how feasible would be to cease all activity. So you will still have some transmission happening, and you'll need to broaden the quarantine period a bit more.
And after you open, the virus would be still there, and will become a problem again soon.
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•So it isn't as simple as I said of course, but it looks like it's possible.
Christos Panagiotakopoulos
•Unfortunately, people in western democracies don't accept such strict measures easily and governments must rely more on individual responsibility.
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•Christos Panagiotakopoulos
•But I strongly believe that losing that attitude, will be a negative spiral that will lead us to more controlled states, loss of personal liberties etc.
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•Christos Panagiotakopoulos
•Thanks for the conversation, these exchange of ideas are really important.
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•As they write in that article: And I don't think this changed since that time they are referring to.
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Hypolite Petovan
•And while cases/death number reports have been questionable in China as well as several Western countries (including the US), the first-person account in the New York Times article doesn't leave much to governmental censorship: Wuhan isn't stuck in a perpetual limbo with conflicting public health recommendations, vaccine shortage, half-lockdowns or evening curfews, closed restaurants (except for rich people) as I know is happening in the US and France.
The article doesn't paint a completely glowing report either, there certainly is personal grief going around, but in the context of this pandemic, I believe the authoritarian approach to lock down all activity, even for 76 days, then test and track everyone, was the right move. It doesn't invalidate my personal criticism of Chinese policies as a whole, but I believe it needs to be noted.
Alexander
•Despite all that stats are pretty average. However if you don't know stats you won't notice much of pandemic going on. Corpses are not piling up in the streets figuratively speaking. It doesn't mean there are no victims, it is just not very visible. And I suspect strong government like Chinese could make it almost invisible.
Maybe I am too skeptical :)
Hypolite Petovan
•I have barely left my apartment in 10 months as a personal decision to avoid spreading the virus both to the people I know and the ones I don't, and I've been pretty disheartened to hear about rich people not caring in the slightest while poor people still have to work around.
Alexander
•So I wouldn't be surprised if certain government could successfully deny pandemic going on if they had it in relatively mild form. To prove them wrong you would need access to medical statistics and inside hospital wards. As for optics... you can take similar pictures here. Also you can find here a lot of people ready to believe that covid-19 is over. Yet it is not. And of course you can also ask actual doctors who work with patients... but what if you couldn't?
So I am a little skeptical about Wuhan shining victory as they present it. Maybe I am wrong. I'll gladly accept that :)
Hypolite Petovan
•Which brings me to two conclusions:
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