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Perpetual reminder that the entire business model of LLM-based chatbots, no matter their nationality, is based on intellectual property theft and this gem from XKCD:
XKCD comic, Cueball Prime stands with a paddle on top of a pile of stuff including a funnel labeled "data" and box labeled "answers".<br>Cueball II: This is your machine learning system? - Yup! You pour the data into this big pile of linear algebra, then collect the answers on the other side. - What if the answers are wrong? - Just stir the pile until they start looking right.
#AI #ArtificialIntelligence #LLM
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nails it perfectly. 👍
The reshares of this post by AI aggregator bot channels are hilarious in this context.
true except sometimes the last line is replaced with "fuck it, who cares?"
Property theft? How is this possible?
#chatbot #llm
So im gonna listen to a song and the neural network called my brain will learn from it, so when i write my own song, turns out its theft? We're so used to culture being restricted that we lost our senses.
@kn_fk This is such a bad faith argument you've proved you're more than just a machine learning system.

@kn_fk

"The Human-AI Scale is Not Comparable

First, humans and AI systems do not consume creative works in the same way. A human can read a novel, watch a television show or movie, or listen to a song, and while it might spark inspiration, they cannot instantly absorb every book, every screenplay, every melody ever created. "

@kn_fk

"Artificial intelligence, by contrast, operates on a scale no human ever could. It ingests billions of pieces of work—copyrighted or otherwise—at speed most of us will never comprehend, building a knowledge base that no single creator, or even all creators combined, could rival.

That’s not inspiration; that’s extraction on an industrial scale."

@kn_fk
"Humans are bound by time, access, and attention. AI faces no such limits. It doesn’t skim a book; it processes every sentence. It doesn’t watch a film for its plot; it analyses every shot, script line, and score. The claim that this is equivalent to human inspiration trivialises the reality of what AI systems do when they train on copyrighted content.

AI isn’t inspired by a work—it’s inspired by all works."

@davido1975
The difference is still just scale. To think this is ethically questionable is a legitimate concern worthy of debate. But to call it theft would require a redefinition of property itself.
@kn_fk @David Högberg "just" is load-bearing here. Get the fuck out of here with your false equivalencies.

@kn_fk

"When a human consumes creative works—whether reading a book, streaming a movie, or listening to music—there’s an economic exchange.

Libraries pay for books and recorded works. Schools and universities do the same.

Streaming platforms license music and films. Cinemas pay to exhibit. Theatres, arenas and stadiums pay for performances. Even ad-supported services like radio and television networks ensure creators receive royalties, however small."

@kn_fk

"In every scenario, the creator is compensated, directly or indirectly, for the use of their work.

AI companies, however, have built models by sidestepping this system entirely."

@kn_fk

"They’re not paying licensing fees to access the books, films, or music they train on. They’re not compensating creators for the value their works add to the AI’s capabilities. Instead, they’re mining the world's reserve of copyrighted material without acknowledging or paying for the creativity, craft, and sheer labour that went into creating it."

@kn_fk

There’s another key distinction: humans are end users.

AI companies are platforms and enablers—just like Spotify, Netflix, or a publishing house. Those platforms don’t get a free pass to use copyrighted works because they facilitate creativity; they pay licensing fees to use, distribute, and profit from those works.

AI platforms should be no different."

@kn_fk

"The idea that AI shouldn’t have to pay because “it’s like a human finding inspiration” conveniently ignores the fact that AI is not a person—it’s a product. And when a product derives its value from copyrighted works, the creators of those works deserve compensation. Artificial intelligence companies are creating tools designed to replace human labour and creativity in many cases, and they are monetising those tools."

@kn_fk

"To claim that they don’t owe creators because “humans don’t pay for inspiration” is to obscure the scale and stakes of what’s happening."

@davido1975
You are making very good points and i agree that this could be disruptive with the existing business models surrounding culture. I just think it's incorrect to call it theft.
this is soo accurate.

My company is very big on AI right now, and I'm now part of a trial aimed at using such tools to help Neurospicy employees.

They foolishly asked for my opinions ahead of the upcoming learning sessions.

I gave them both barrels. I wish I'd had this to attach for them.

No, they are not.

Prove me wrong.

@Birne Helene AI bots blindly resharing AI criticism is a funny parallel with the fact LLM-based AI systems do not perceive meaning. Not that these channels are using any kind of AI though.
the fact LLM-based AI systems do not perceive meaning.


And that is the crucial point, I think.

@apophis you can trust xkcd to always tell it the way it is
xkcd 792 transcript

    [Black Hat is standing to the left behind Cueball, who is sitting in an office chair at his desk working on his computer. A message from the computer is indicated with a zigzag line from the screen.]
    Black Hat: Password entropy is rarely relevant. The real modern danger is password reuse.
    Cueball: How so?
    Computer: Password too weak

    [Zoom in on Black Hat's upper part as he holds a hand up with the palm up.]
    Black Hat: Set up a Web service to do something simple, like image hosting or tweet syndication, so a few million people set up free accounts.

    [Zoom out to Black Hat standing in front of Cueball who has turned in the chair facing Black Hat, the desk is not shown in the panel.]
    Black Hat: Bam, you've got a few million emails, default usernames, and passwords.

    [Only Black Hat is shown as he holds out his arms.]
    Black Hat: Tons of people use one password, strong or not, for most accounts.

    [The next panel is only half the height of the other panels. Above the panel is the text that Black Hat narrates. In the left part of the panel, there is a piece of paper that seems to have been torn off at the bottom resulting in a jagged edge, which could also indicate that it continues further down than shown. On the paper, there are three labeled columns, and below each of them about 18 lines of unreadable sentences (mostly just one word). The @ in the e-mail addresses may be indicated with a larger unreadable sign. To the right a broad line goes right from the paper and splits up in five lines that go up or down ending in five arrows to the right, pointing at five labels.]
    Black Hat (narrating): Use the list and some proxies to try automated logins to the 20 or 30 most popular sites, plus banks and PayPal and such.
    Labels on paper: Email User Pass
    Labels at arrows:

        Banks
        Facebook
        Gmail
        PayPal
        Twitter

    [Same setting as panel 3 but Cueball has taken a hand to his chin.]
    Black Hat: You've now got a few hundred thousand real identities on a few dozen services, and nobody suspects a thing.
    Cueball: And then what?

    [Same setting in a larger panel with more white space to the left, Cueball has his hand down again.]
    Black Hat: Well, that's where I got stuck.
    Cueball: You did this?
    Black Hat: Why do you think I hosted so many unprofitable web services?

    [Zoom in on Black Hat's head now turned towards left.]
    Black Hat: I could probably net in a lot of money, one way or another, if I did things carefully. But research shows more money doesn't make people happier, once they make enough to avoid day-to-day financial stress.

    [Zooming a bit out, but still only showing Black Hat's head in the bottom right corner, again facing right.]
    Black Hat: I could mess with people endlessly, but I do that already. I could get a political or religious idea out to most of the world, but since March of 1997 I don't really believe in anything.

    [This panel is the last in this row, but it does not reach the end of the row above, an indication that this does not directly belong to the panels below. The same setting as panel 3 but Black Hat has his arms out.]
    Black Hat: So, here I sit, a puppetmaster who wants nothing from his puppets.
    Black Hat: It's the same problem Google has.
    Cueball: Oh?

    [This panel is the first in the last row. It does not begin to the left, but has been shifted a bit to the right, just as the last panel above to the right, ended before reaching the right edge of the row above (and this one below). This is to indicate that this is row has a different story. A Cueball-like executive at Google is standing up leaning his arms on a table with Google's logo on the side. His office chair has been pushed to the left behind him and it is partly off-panel. He addresses the other executives at the table, two of which are shown. The first is Hairbun with glasses holding her head with both hands, elbows resting on the table. The other executive is also a Cueball-like guy, his head is partly outside the right edge of the panel. At the top of the panel to the left, there is a small frame breaking the panel's frame, inside which is a caption:]
    Google...
    Cueball executive: Okay, everyone, we control the world's information. Now it's time to turn evil. What's the plan?
    Hairbun: Make boatloads of money?
    Table: Google

    [Only the Cueball-like executive standing at the end of the table is shown, the table is left out. He is face-palming. One of the executives at the table is speaking off-panel. Could be either of the two above or someone not shown before]
    Cueball executive: We already do!
    Executive (off-panel): Set up a companywide CoD4: Modern Warfare tournament each week?
    Cueball executive: That's not evil!
    Executive (off-panel): Ooh, Dibs on the lobby TV!
    Cueball executive: Okay, we suck at this.