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Vegans who don't hired/get their personal diet menu from a dietitian themselves are cultists. If they promoting their veganism without telling " must get a personal diet menu from a dietitian" are also cultists.

Because their diet would cause health issue if they don't use nutritional supplements. This is not a good option for most people. (Lack of protein)

It's a similar cult as fat acceptance.
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The subtext of #vegan is animal life is higher than human life, that's why they don't mention the side effect and nutritional supplements while promoting the #veganism.

Look at these bottles of nutritional supplements, would you still feel being a #vegan is still natural?

But they won't tell you that they feel animal life is higher than human life because they know normies won't accept this BS.

Some people who feel they are having a deep connection to animals tend to be vegan... No, they don't, they just project their feelings to the beings who can't say "no" to themselves, it's the same as anime fans, but anime fans won't tell you it's real, except for some mentals in there.

#vegan #veganism
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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You are completely wrong. First off, vegan protein is not at all difficult to find. Second, what about all the nutrient deficiencies of meat eaters? Most meat eaters are deficient in fiber. Meat eaters should be taking supplements from not eating enough plants.

Vitamin B12 comes from soil, btw. Do you know how it gets in meat? Farmers inject cows with a needle and pump it into their blood.

Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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We have fangs, us not eating meat is like bears not eating meat.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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After 5 years of arguing I thought people would come up with something better than “but canines tho” but I guess we’re just not to that point yet.

Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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tdlr that shit. Naw eating meat is good, you want to vegan fine, but your the wierdo here.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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The animal whose life you traded for an extra flavor doesn’t get any say?
Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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and the plant don't either. Its trivial how you classify plant cells as okey but animal cells as bad, not surprised though you went right away to a moral argument. Look I don't hate you and I like your posts, but you got no ground on this one.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Okay so a plant is exactly the same as a dog by your logic. And it’s fine to eat a dog?
Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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Out of survival ya. There both alive now if you have a problem with dogs I do as well because they are animals domesticated for work not food, but by your own logic cows and fish are fine then. You have restricted your diet to plant cells out of a (all be Ernest) misguided sense of justice and morality. Plants feel pain aswell and are alive, you just wont easily see there distress because they lack eyes.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Stab a plant and stab a pig and tell me which one you feel worse about.
Irish Pug
Irish Pug  
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Nigga if humans were obligate herbivores we literally would not be able to digest and get calories from meat. I think your retarded diet is fucking with your head.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Humans are omnivores but we’re clearly not built the same as bears. We’re not obligated to eat meat either.
Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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Yes we are. You now admit that we are in fact omnivores, we are not "obligated" to anything and are just as reasonable to kill ourselves for fun, if your talking about the idea of our nature then your lying simple put. We have the digestive system for it, with the gut bacteria meant to break down meat. Your wrong about that whole point with that spook of a statement.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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You act like you were designed to be a killing machine, but you weren’t. That’s the point of the meme.
Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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Man is a killing machine. The history of mankind is the history civilization which is the history of war.

Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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Humans were evolved to engage in something known as "persistence hunting." Basically, instead of outrunning your quarry, you track it gradually, and exhaust it over the course of hours, days, and occasionally weeks. You know how in slasher movies, the Bad Guy maintains a steady gait, and usually doesn't rush for the target? How they have enough time to catch their breath, but never enough time to sleep or eat?

This type of movie is an inversion of what human hunters do to their animal quarries. While we're not obligate carnivores, when we hunt rather than ranch, this is how it's done most of the time. It's either that or baiting/trapping.

t. former hunter

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Sure. Eating cooked meat even helped humans evolve our large brains. And now we can use those big brains to know that that veganism is the best path economically, for the environment, and for the wellbeing of other species.
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ew  
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tfw I dragged you away from working to argue on fedi but you're still at it
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Haha I took a rare day off today. Hung out with my gf, went to Home Depot, and gave a random old man a ride across town.
Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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Alternatively, we can accept that there is a hierarchy to life, and that as far as species are concerned, humans are at the top of it. This means that hunting a deer, bear, or boar, or using livestock as a food source, isn't the kind of sin you're making it out to be. We're at the top of the food chain, brother, and that's not a bad thing.

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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I’m kind of sympathetic to the might is right argument, but then it would have to be okay when a lion or bear kills a human. It’s just “the circle of life”, man. But we know people don’t really think that. One shark attack and they lock the whole beach down.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Different species have different strengths and weaknesses. For humans, it’s our ability to use language. But we can’t fly like a bird or sprint like a cheetah. I think we are more equal than you realize.
Atlas_Khan
Atlas_Khan  
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Its not language that is humans strength, whales have languages. Its our pattern recognition ability and tool making ability with our thumbs. We can plan, think, build, and execute.
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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So can bees, ants, pigs, chimps… Language is the only quality that really sets us apart, and what makes us much more effective at doing all those other things.
Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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It is okay when a bear or lion kills a human, at least in the sense that they’re morally forgiven. You should regard these animals as threats because they are threats, and they’re not evil for fucking your shit up if they pick a fight with you for whatever reason. Where I don’t agree is, how does shutting a beach down to prevent further shark attacks amount to a moral condemnation of the shark?

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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I follow your line of reasoning, but it’s not the world I live in. And I’m not sure it’s the one you live in either.
Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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how is it not the world I live in? I grew up in an extremely rural area where animals are less scared of humans than in the cities. Bears would break into people's houses to raid their fridges.

I like bears.

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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A world where we kill animals just because we can. Even as a meat eater I never could have done it. There are bugs I killed by accident that I still regret.
Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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I don't kill animals for no reason. I've slaughtered livestock and shot small/large game and felt zero guilt. I've also gone on genocidal campaigns against fleas and bed bugs, again without any guilt. I had pet cats, and when some mice got into the house, I cut the cats off of food until the mouse problem was rectified, which only took a couple days; cats hunt rodents with very little prompting.

Some of these animals were food sources. Some of these animals were vermin who interfere with the lives of humans by filching our food, spreading disease, and giving us itchies. But I'm not running around killing animals for the fuck of it.

Actually, doing that is a sign of psychopathy.

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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If you can choose to eat something else and you don’t, it’s killing an animal for a momentary sensation of an extra flavor.
DK
DK  
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I’m not going to defend the ethics of meat eating in absolute terms, particularly not under conditions of industrial agriculture and slaughterhouses, but please let’s not pretend that the analysis stops at the killing of livestock

How many insects and field rodents do combines kill?
Big Fungus
Big Fungus  
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The better question is who gives a fuck?
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Do you love freedom? Are you an animal?
Big Fungus
Big Fungus  
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Yes and humans are not animals
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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“humans are not animals” :ageblobcat:
DK
DK  
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The core problem of vegan ethical analysis is the failure to recognize that, while humans are members of Kingdom Animalia, nonhuman animals (though sentient and capable of feeling pain and thus killing them is indeed nonvirtuous) are not morally equivalent to humans
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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I think humans have a superiority complex.
Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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Humans are on the top of the food chain. That's not an opinion or a superiority complex, it's just reality.

Also, we should stop dogpiling Alex just because he has a heterodox view

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Humans collectively are at the top of the food chain. Individually, not so much.

Not that a creature’s value should be determined by their place in the food chain.
Dr. NEETzsche, GED
Dr. NEETzsche, GED  
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But you don't need a superiority complex or some elaborate mental gymnastics to conclude that eating meat is okay. That's the crux of this whole dispute; you think humans eating meat is inherently bad

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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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I do. I care about freedom, and one of the basic tenants of libertarianism is that “your freedom ends where another’s begins.” Killing animals to eat them when we don’t have to violates that. It does not consider their freedoms and subjugates them to the point of commodifying them. But cows, chickens, and pigs have brains, thoughts and feelings, personalities, and a unique outlook on the world. They are “persons” by every definition and they deserve basic moral consideration.
Big Fungus
Big Fungus  
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I disagree. Very few animals deserve respect. Dolphins have language and names. This makes them sentient.
You ever met a chicken?
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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Yeah. I rescued chickens from slaughterhouses. I was a legit ALF level activist. They shit all over my apartment and I resented them. But I’d never kill one.
blackfacehitler
blackfacehitler  
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you are a retarded faggot
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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I made the software you typed this on.
blackfacehitler
blackfacehitler  
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biology sounds like it is out of your lane then
Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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I’ve been vegan for 5 years and probably have more energy and drive than you.
blackfacehitler
blackfacehitler  
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Alex Gleason
Alex Gleason  
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And where does B12 come from?

Spoiler: bacteria in soil

And how does it get in steak?

Farmers inject cows with B12 artificially.
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