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How should the Dislike button be used? Is it supposed to be something like on Reddit that you only downvote stuff if you do not think it is viable to the community or you just press it if you dislike with what is happening in a post or something?
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Hypolite Petovan
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@Cătălin Petrescu Currently Dislikes are just a glorified emoji reaction. It may be used in Lemmy to sort conversations topics but in Friendica it isn't used to sort threads.
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@Hypolite Petovan I see. So you pretty much see them as a way to express your actual dislike of a topic, am I correct?
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Hypolite Petovan
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@Cătălin Petrescu It depends, and that's my main issue with Dislikes. Their meaning is ambiguous in a way that Likes aren't.
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@Hypolite Petovan Not really, we have just grown accustomed to the use of them. If we are to make an apple to apple comparison, using centralized platforms, then:
1. A like on Facebook simply means that you like that content. I saw your post of a beautiful building on your profile, and I like it, so I am pressing the like button to show you that
2. An upvote on Reddit means that you feel something belongs to a community and is equally relevant to it. For example, there were posts on some subreddits that I felt they did not belong there, or were relevant, although they felt interesting.

I think it is great to have an opposite of a like button, even if it is to be used just as a reaction, as you cannot just like everything you get to see in your feed, or be meh with it. I rarely used it, though.
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Hypolite Petovan
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@Cătălin Petrescu I'm a little confused by your reply. If Dislikes aren't ambiguous, why did you feel the need to ask about them in the first place in this conversation you started?

The follow/unfollow model of microblogging compared to the upvote/downvote model of forums means that you have an easy way of altering the content you see in your timeline by unfollowing inconvenient accounts.
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@Hypolite Petovan I'm sorry if I made myself not understood. I just wanted to know if "I am doing it right" by using the dislike as a reaction or if there is a certain rule for using them, even if it's a mostly informal one (e.g.: like on Reddit, where a "downvote" means you do not agree with something being part of a community). Sort of a recommendation.
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Hypolite Petovan
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@Cătălin Petrescu Thank you for the elaboration, and I don't like this social ambiguity about the Dislikes that no other feature has.
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Shelenn Ayres
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@Hypolite Petovan@Cătălin Petrescu Not sure there is not ambiguity both ways. If I like a post someone shared that I believe is important to be shared, the topic may be something bad that I don't like. So no one really knows if I am liking the content or the post. Same for dislike. If I dislike something, am I disliking the topic or the post? Since not all network types can see the dislike aka down vote, I've concluded most will see a like is about the post not the topic aka favorite in other network types. Therefore, I decided to use like and dislike about the post not the topic. YMMV
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Hypolite Petovan
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@Shelenn Ayres@Cătălin Petrescu In theory you’re right but in practice we are only getting questions about Dislikes, which leads me to believe both interactions aren’t as ambiguous as each other.
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@Shelenn Ayres Interesting. I always thought it should be just a bug in Friendica, that you must either like or dislike a post, and automatically dislike or like the post respectively. Never thought this is actually a nice to have thing in ambiguous situations where you dislike with the situation, but think this is important for others to know, or you like the source, IDK.

For example, a post like this one:

Meduza in English

2023-01-26 15:32:47


RT @mediazona_en@twitter.com

Today Kremlin has outlawed @meduza_en@twitter.com, the largest Russian independent news outlet.

The Prosecutor General’s Office designated it as an “undesirable organization” which means working for Meduza or even sharing its articles now comes with a threat of criminal prosecution

🐦🔗: https://twitter.com/mediazona_en/status/1618621330286432263


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Roland Häder
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@Cătălin Petrescu @Shelenn Ayres @Meduza in English The thing here is, that people interpret it the way they want it and make false assumptions based on these interpretations. Simply ask back, what that other person means and not jump to conclusions.
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Roland Häder
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@Shelenn Ayres @Cătălin Petrescu It should be a practical discussion and not an ideological or emotional, like "feelings of person X" is hurt by the dislike button". That's to much emotional about it. Remember when #Youtube took down the dislike feature? Some people didn't like it that they got so much dislikes on their view. This practically means they cannot take negative critics and don't want to improve themselves. MrPetovan has deleted my comment there where I have pointed this out, that only softies will cry about receiving/seeing dislike features. Real people won't do that, they just deactivate it (and that change was introduced already by him) or ignore it. I ignore the dislike button as long as I don't want to click it. Ripping out features from a software is bad for the software, plus it is part of #ActivityPub .
#activitypub #youtube @Shelenn Ayres @Cătă
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@Roland Häder Negative feedback without a reason does not help you improve, though. You're just taking the negative feedback and thats it. If you do something wrong, you'll keep doing it. However I get the point that removing the dislike feature is likely to upset quite some people.

How do you use the dislike feature, though? Are you disliking based on relevance or based on your feelings? 😀

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Roland Häder
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@Cătălin Petrescu @Shelenn Ayres It is about removing a feature that already exist and, on top of that, can be deactivated. Yes, I get it that nobody can learn from just a like/dislike. It is a way of giving a simplified feedback, nothing glorifying here. A real discussion is never replaced by emoicons or even like/dislike feedback.
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Roland Häder
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@Hypolite Petovan @Cătălin Petrescu Let me go back a little. One of the pillars of #philosophy is that rules are universal, that means they must apply to everybody equally. That basically means people are allowed to love/like the same thing that others must be allowed to hate/dislike the same thing. In other words, when someone tells you that it is immoral that Ben steals something from Ron, but it is okay that Ron steals something from Ben, it is bullshit. Or in other words, if someone tells you that vanilla ice cream is wonderful(aka. like) and chocolate ice cream is disgusting (aka. dislike), they have just given you their opinion, but an other opinion which might be the opposite, must be equally valid.
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@Roland Häder Interesting point. When do you usually use the button, though?

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