And there's a strong loss-aversion aspect. I own land that I struggled a long time to purchase and then develop as a home. To start from scratch again at my age would be tough.
Even moving to another state would be pretty rough.
And the USA is not alone in restricting immigration to those who they think will improve their economic strength.
I could probably attain that only by becoming a corporate lackey -- part of the problem I'd want to escape.
Hard to choose an answer for that one. It's already difficult having my heart in two places on the emotional front but if I had money to travel that would resolve that. And there's the practical admin level (aka would I be allowed to live and work somewhere and could I afford to live there) and then there's the practical work of setting up a new life and the emotional level of missing my other homes. Because I moved around so much as a kid, I really value both having deep roots and community, knowing a place over time and having a relationship with it.
And are we talking about it in a "it would be nice to live elsewhere" way or a "if you had to flee the Nazis/political oppression would you have somewhere to find refuge" way?
Survey β Long answer: I already moved from Europe to Canada where there is more physical, social and mental space available. If I was in danger or jeopardized by climate change consequences, I would quite easily do it again but now there's no better and safer place for me to be than in Eastern Canada so it would be quite hard. https://www.lapresse.ca/debats/editoriaux/2023-02-16/et-si-c-etait-nous-sur-le-chemin-roxham.php
I answered "very hard," but then I realized it depends on what you mean. If you mean "permanently," then it's "very hard." If you. mean "for a few years," then it's "somewhat easy."
well, last time I moved to a new city fell into suicidal depression from the isolation and other factors, which among other things meant I had a very hard time holding a job for more than a few quarters. My circumstance are different now, but I can't imagine it would be even remotely a good idea for me to uproot my entire life to live somewhere where I'd be a hated foreigner and where my welcome would be contingent on me holding a job for a work visa.
Technically I am closer to southwest Ontario than I am to Cleveland or Erie. It would just be a trip in a boat across the lake. I simply donβt meet qualifications to be more than a short-term tourist to Canada under present legislation. I just narrowly miss the mark.
Other countries require a bit more research, of course.
I moved 1 year ago between France to Scotland. Not alone, but with wife and childrens. Just like that, because we just want to move, to live an adventure. So, now I know : it isn't easy, but ... it isn't very difficult too. New language, new climate, new work, new people, new culture ... an all new life.
I picked VERY EASY because that is my attitude, even though the opportunity might not be there. I have been living between Canada and Japan for a number of years, and have really looked at going to a third country. I do remote work, so that is sorted. And over 40 countries have some sort of nomad visa. The challenge is schooling for the kids. International school is expensive. Also, even if *I* want to be a nomad, my kids deserve some stability. So maybe after they move out?
Iβve done it a dozen times. Honestly itβs always kind of hard but I think I figured it out. I get settled and find friends faster. For now. Iβm quite happy settled in Aotearoa New Zealand.
ok then I can check all of the above, depending where/why/how etc. Or make an average and then the results don't mean anything because of the framing of the question (or lack thereof π).
@pdwn I post these questions because I enjoy thinking about them, and because I think you will too.
I find it hard to be nice when people deal with the difficulty of the question by coming after me. The problem isn't that the world is complex or that their feelings are contradictory, but that I wrote the question wrong.
@pdwn So, yes: you have to think about the various ways emigration is hard, and how important those different factors are to you personally, and then synthesize a simple answer.
That's called cognition. If you think it's a ridiculous exercise, do something else with your time.
I get that. You asked your followers a question, it appeared on my TL. I couldnβt give a logical answer without more input from you. I donβt spend time on things that donβt interest me and I was genuinely trying to answer. Donβt make assumptions please.
We almost moved to the US in 2001. Then 9/11 happened and scuppered our plans. Since about 2016 I've been glad we didn't move out there, even though there's been a sharp deterioration here in the UK as well.
itβs hard/complicated but very worth it (for leaving the US). It took me nearly a year to secure housing and importing my cat was one of the hardest processes Iβve ever gone through. And thatβs without moving any belongings - that I have yet to even figure out bc itβs so insanely expensive. But being out of the US is heaven lol
I think there are two main populations that will interpret the question differently. People who have never left their country and people who have.
People who have moved different times may still reply "very hard" because e.g. now they bought a house and had a job they like, but it's a different kind of "very hard" that for people who never considered living in a different country.
damn it I missed this one! My visa came throughβcan confirm it has not been easy, and I would not have been able to do this without money and privilege!
This was a tough one, especially because moving to another country can be a very complex task on a lot of different levels: social, personal, financial, bureaucratic, political, ecological.
I say very hard. The move I made, US to Canada, has been tough on me personally and for my friends and family. I love where I live, but having two hometowns tears your heart in two.
Indeed. That aspect is hard, and then for us, healthcare, both as a barrier to immigration, and a ball that has to not get dropped in the mean time. Plus being trans makes everything stranger when dealing with bureaucracy.
Heh. And yet I only chose 'somewhat hard' since as a tech worker, I could probably land most places and eventually deal with the bureaucracy. For someone with more systemic barriers...
@spraoi @aredridel this is a topic in our household, too, as one of us is deciding how and where she wants to live.
My advice is that she take advantage of her roots in Montreal, keep that the main home base, and consider living abroad as something temporary, even if it's for years.
having never gone to the same school 2 years in a row, I find moving less of an issue. The issues of moving to a different country is the worry of being thrown out.
I answered 'somewhat easy' but I got lucky (both with the work visa lottery, and being from one of the countries that do not exhaust their US permanent residency caps). Apparently the only one of the commenters emigrating to rather than away from the US!
(Process still not finished, haven't naturalized yet, and we did have some concerns both with politics and crime but the US would still be better than where we came from, worst case scenario. Now moving *again* is harder)
When moved from the Toronto area to the Boston area, it was *really* hard. And when I moved back to the Toronto area four years later, it was also *really* hard, and I realized that it was less the place and more the moving that was doing it.
(When I moved to the Ottawa area some years after that, it was a bit easier both because there wasn't an international border to cross and because I was ready for it this time.)
Is every one of your polls going to ask questions with ambiguous wording? Do you mean move to temporarily or migrate to permanently? Do you mean, how difficult would it be emotionally, legally, financially, or logistically?
The answer would be different for each of those questions. Legally, it would be very difficult for me to find another country that would accept me as a migrant. Logistically, it would be a headache but doable. Emotionally, it would require some long involved conversations and negotiations with family. Financially, it would depend on whether the new country provides pension benefits for new immigrants.
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•And there's a strong loss-aversion aspect. I own land that I struggled a long time to purchase and then develop as a home. To start from scratch again at my age would be tough.
Even moving to another state would be pretty rough.
And the USA is not alone in restricting immigration to those who they think will improve their economic strength.
I could probably attain that only by becoming a corporate lackey -- part of the problem I'd want to escape.
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•And are we talking about it in a "it would be nice to live elsewhere" way or a "if you had to flee the Nazis/political oppression would you have somewhere to find refuge" way?
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•Other countries require a bit more research, of course.
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•I find it hard to be nice when people deal with the difficulty of the question by coming after me. The problem isn't that the world is complex or that their feelings are contradictory, but that I wrote the question wrong.
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•That's called cognition. If you think it's a ridiculous exercise, do something else with your time.
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We almost moved to the US in 2001. Then 9/11 happened and scuppered our plans. Since about 2016 I've been glad we didn't move out there, even though there's been a sharp deterioration here in the UK as well.
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•Giving that moving there might be as close as moving within Germany, say Hamburg to Munich.
So within EU, I say it is REALLY easy. I am actually planning to do so. Moving out of the EU I have a mental barrier. Many safety nets exist in EU.
Not owning land nor a house helps to stay mobile tho.
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•People who have moved different times may still reply "very hard" because e.g. now they bought a house and had a job they like, but it's a different kind of "very hard" that for people who never considered living in a different country.
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•I say very hard. The move I made, US to Canada, has been tough on me personally and for my friends and family. I love where I live, but having two hometowns tears your heart in two.
Thanks to everyone who responded!
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•I interpreted the question to concern future moves. Now that we're Swiss a move to any EU country would be as hassle free as a move can be.
I don't think we'll do that, but our eldest is considering it for her next school.
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•My advice is that she take advantage of her roots in Montreal, keep that the main home base, and consider living abroad as something temporary, even if it's for years.
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•(Process still not finished, haven't naturalized yet, and we did have some concerns both with politics and crime but the US would still be better than where we came from, worst case scenario. Now moving *again* is harder)
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•(When I moved to the Ottawa area some years after that, it was a bit easier both because there wasn't an international border to cross and because I was ready for it this time.)
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•The answer would be different for each of those questions. Legally, it would be very difficult for me to find another country that would accept me as a migrant. Logistically, it would be a headache but doable. Emotionally, it would require some long involved conversations and negotiations with family. Financially, it would depend on whether the new country provides pension benefits for new immigrants.
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•And, yes, most of my polls are general enough that a big percentage of people can engage with them.
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