@Hypolite Petovan Mindful meditation does wonders but I feel I have too much stuff to do to give it the chance to do it's thing

Yep, this was a big clue to me as well. And not just always having to be doing something. Also a continuous feeling of u r g e n c y that also manifested as speeding and passing cars even when I was going to be early anyway.

On meds, that feeling went away. I literally drive slower. And I can just sit in a chair and look out the window if I want.

That's interesting (not necessarily in any kind of fun sense, I suspect) - how is it getting to sleep when your mind is going like that?

I'm having a bit of a variation - totally stress induced - where I'm waking fairly regularly between 3 and 5am and my brain works on every little stressor, making it difficult to impossible to get back to sleep, which then often makes the issue worse the next day due to tiredness.

@Kinetix Getting to sleep is another problem, I usually fall asleep only when I’m completely exhausted, or I have to get up again and deal with whatever I’m obsessing about before I can try again to lie down. Managing two naps in a single day is absolutely extreme for me.

Yeah, it would be for me, too, I just don't nap easily at all, unless completely exhausted (and sometimes even then...)

Is this something that comes and goes, or is it chronic?

@Kinetix I'd say it comes and goes depending on how obsessed I am with something before I'm supposed to go to bed. My tentative bed time is 10 PM, but it's more often 11 PM and I have had obsessive bouts until 2 AM, once until 5 AM (that one hurt).

I also only nap when I'm completely exhausted, which happens regularly when I miss my expected bed time.

Ah, gotcha. I guess a challenge comes in not getting obsessed with a thing then, I presume.

@Kinetix Yeah, I haven’t found the switch or dial to control this, almost 40 years in, so I’m mostly working around it.