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In every apartment I lived I noticed little imperfections. Slightly bent walls and floors, gaps where there should be none. I assume it has to do with cutting corners during #construction. How much more expensive would it be to have a perfect #building in the first place?
#construction #building
Brian Ó
Brian Ó  
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It comes with age as well. The ground stuff build on isn't as solid and unchanging as it may seem, and building materials shrink and warp over time as well.
Hypolite Petovan
Hypolite Petovan  
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@Brian Ó 🐟 Indeed but surely we can account for it during the construction? And I'm prepared for the answer to be something like twice or thrice (or more?) a conventional construction budget.
@Brian Ó
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>sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender  
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Have you ever built something? If you build a house all the milimeters you deviate from the plan accumulate. I'm pretty sure a house without flaws would be an inhuman house.
Brian Ó
Brian Ó  
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I honestly don't know, but I imagine buildings constructed primarily of steel are less likely to get wonky corners and sloping floors. That would certainly increase the costs. A lot.
silverwizard
silverwizard  
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Why do you think that infinite time and budget would make momentary mistakes go away?
Hypolite Petovan
Hypolite Petovan  
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Because you would buy more time to plan ahead, build slower, with better skills, better tools, etc...
silverwizard
silverwizard  
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Yeah - but a building is a collab of hundreds of people over hundreds of hours. Communication, momentary mistakes, and insufficient momentary tool choices seem like they still exist.
Hypolite Petovan
Hypolite Petovan  
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Yes, I do realize the quality by money spent curve isn't linear, rather asymptotic, but the same way it's possible but extremely rare to build good software, I was wondering how much would it take for construction.

Don't worry, I'm not planning to build any house.
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>sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender  
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You'd be surprised guys. You can go ahead start measureing ceiling heights in the buildings you visit.
Hypolite Petovan
Hypolite Petovan  
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@>sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender I already know how crooked it can be! I've lived with more apartments that I'd like with bent walls, bent hardwood floor, mouse/cockroaches holes along the base board, corner right angles that weren't 90 degrees, unintentional drafts, backward mounted transition strips, non-closing closets, mismatching tiles... And I've come to reluctantly accept it, because it's the same everywhere. But what if it didn't have to be this way?
@>sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender
>sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender
>sfb< SigmundFreud'sBartender  
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What if? In a world with nothing to improve, I guess I'd commit suicide.
grin
grin  
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It would take years and at least ten times the cost of the normal house, it'd require people with extremely strong knowledge in their profession, very special materials and special methods. We've built a house where I am pretty happy with the results but it has a hundred imperfections, some due to money limit, some to limited human resources, some due to the materials and some the finite amount of design work. As you say, asypmtotic everything.
Hypolite Petovan
Hypolite Petovan  
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Thank you for your first-hand experience, and congrats on building your own house!
Shelenn Ayres
Shelenn Ayres  
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There are also reasons some things show up in homes after they are built related to normal settling, tremors of which we have many all over the world that are not full blown quakes, water contents, air contents - particulates can be from outside or from inside gases or material fibers etc. Then there are the normal wear and tear issues. We live in an imperfect world that is constantly changing and imperfect humans that hopefully continue changing in a positive way. One thing I think we are lacking is the ability to deal with the imperfections and evolution. This is where we can help each other :)
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