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Today I realized that Proof-of-Work #cryptocurrency is yet another way to pin a currency's value on a corresponding physical resource, just like the Gold Standard was. As a result the sky-rocketing dollar price of Bitcoins isn't entirely speculative, the Bitcoin algorithm demands more work to mine any subsequent unit of currency, making it more valuable in dollars because of the invested resources. To me it seems like the limit to this system is when the resource supply won't be able to meet the algorithmically ever-increasing demand, just like why the Gold Standard was eventually dropped. I expect the Bitcoin value to plummet in such an event.

I'm no expert, though, feel free to prove me wrong!

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There's a mathematical limit as well. There are only a finite number of Bitcoin to be mined, by design.
Bitcoin, like all public blockchain systems, is fairly stupid.
All money is imaginary.
@**joe It's a cute aphorism, but there's neither truth nor wisdom to it. Money represents a specific value for specific people at a specific time. All of these parameters can change, but money still has real effects on real people.
The assets in all Ponzi schemes steadily increase of value for no other reason than keep the Ponzi scheme going.
There definitely are Ponzi schemes going on with cryptocurrecies, Tethers are a great example of this, but Bitcoin is different, like I said, part of its value is staked on very real resources being used to mine them.
The man behind the Ponzi scheme is really making a lot of money out of bitcoin. Did you ever watched the videos made by @barelysocial? Part 1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kav2K1DVWoPart 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMWnaR5uJxQPart 3:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcvX0P1b5g&t=13s

The most interesting part is where he stresses that people working in the bitcoin industry must be well paid ti guarantee their loyalty.
Thank you for the references although it's unlikely that I will watch 90 minutes worth of video, no matter how interesting they might be. Again, there is more to Bitcoin than a simple Ponzi scheme. The original Bitcoin whitepaper is public, the Bitcoin software is open, thousands of eyeballs have looked at the algorithmic core of Bitcoin and deemed it technically sounds, so part of its current dollar value is based on that transparency. The hard part is figuring out how much of that value will it retain once mining is capped, but in essence it's more than a Ponzi scheme. Proof-of-Work is proving environmentally disastrous, but it anchors the Bitcoin value in more than quick gain hopes which is Ponzi schemes sole and only value.
Yes I know it’s very long. But bitcoin has a long story and it takes time to go through the entire story, watch it when you have time …. But basically it was crafted step by step to make money, every single decision was taken to profit the most from it. There is nothing ideological, it’s just a way to make money. If you hang a bit in /r/bitcoin where most of it started you will realize that what barelysocial says is probably true.
I don't disagree with you, but there are many ways to skin a cat or in this case to make money. Ponzi schemes are one, but it isn't the only one. Greed or speculation in themselves don't automatically make Bitcoin a Ponzi scheme. Tether, on the other hand, definitely is a con and you can read about it over there: https://crypto-anonymous-2021.medium.com/the-bit-short-inside-cryptos-doomsday-machine-f8dcf78a64d3

I still wouldn't touch Bitcoin with a ten-foot pole, but Proof-of-Work can explain part of the unrelenting growth the dollar value of Bitcoin has seen since its inception.
a “currency with 2% transaction fees doesn’t make sense at all. VISA is cheaper.
Everything you said is reasonable, but has nothing to do with my argument that Bitcoin's value isn't entirely made up since it uses the Proof-of-Work philosophy. Which means that its value will be more stable than cryptocurrencies that aren't based on this philosophy. I have no way of knowing how much more stable Bitcoin is, it really is a higher-level thought since I won't foray into cryptocurrency anyway.
This is interesting but I only saw a post referencing it; haven't the time to read the article.
So, I agree with you. But it's less about the gold and more about the buyin.

Proof of Work currencies basically means that the people mining it have an incentive to buy and sell it, because mining is very computationally expensive, and therefore those people need to convince greater fools. And so, NFTs took off when Jack Dorsey sold an NFT to a bitcoin investor. Because it was a 2.9 million marketing buy, to convince greater fools.

But proof of work is actually a backed asset, but the mining thing is apt. Buying GPUs or specialized hardware, and then burning them out to get free bitcoins. If you do that, you lose money unless you can sell those bitcoins. But those GPUs are the actual commodity that is obeying market forces.

The problem is that PoW isn't backing bitcoins by being inherently valuable, but instead by making bitcoins *slow to make*.

I think I might be too early in the morning to make sense.
OK! Here's the thing I was trying to say. A commodity backed currency needs to be backed by a valuable commodity.

Bitcoin is backed by making a valuable commodity worthless.
This is true, but like I articulated for @**joe , I believe these sunk costs also make it desirable for miners to trade their Bitcoin for something they will value, which retroactively gives value to Bitcoins. This particular incentive will stop once the mining cap is reached, which will make Bitcoins less desirable to mine and consequently to trade and its value will fall.
Yeah, but that retroactive value is what makes it not commodity backed asset, instead it's a Greater Fool Investment.
Religion is imaginary too, but it still has real effects on real people.
@**joe But saying religion is imaginary and adding four quarters only give you a full dollar as well, what's the point?
Only if you believe in the value of the dollar.
I guess my point is that any analysis of money must start with the understanding that it is based entirely on the faith of the user. If enough people believe it is valuable, it is.
@**joe I mean, fiat currency is definitely backed up by the fact that a government will absolve you of your debt if you give someone that money.
@**joe I believe you are talking specifically about fiat money but this isn't the case for all money. Commodity money has a real value of its own.
Only if they believe the money is exchangeable for the commodity.
Some commodities, like wheat or salt, have an intrinsic use value. But other commodities, such as gold, are, like fiat money, only valuable because people believe it has value.
But bitcoin isn't commodity money, is it?
@**joe The value of a commodity mostly depends on its scarcity, gold and diamonds are intrinsically valuable because they are rather rare, it isn't just a belief like for fiat money. You can't make gold as easily as you can write IOUs.

In this context, I believe Bitcoin is commodity money. It requires work to be created, which enforces a relative scarcity. This doesn't mean its dollar value cannot fluctuate, but I believe it means it can fluctuate less than non-Proof-of-Work cryptocurrencies.
I guess I don't understand "Proof-of Work". The idea that the commodity is labor, sounds interesting. But is it based on work already performed or do people use it to purchase future labor, or both? Is it possible to borrow or loan bitcoin?
(PS, at this point, the discussion is pretty much over my head, so I hope my comments are not just annoying you.)
Interesting look. I never thought about it from this side.
It sounds like the "Work" you are talking about is actually money to be able to afford expensive computers and computer services, plus some keyboard time.
@**joe That's exactly what it is.
@hackbyte Thank you for the explanation, I hadn't factored in the transfer fees I didn't know much about.
@hackbyte The current problem of Bitcoin for me is that its value is still depending on dollars. If my wages were paid in Bitcoin or my landlord demanded I paid rent in Bitcoin, I would use it, but otherwise it is useless, risky and an environmental disaster to me.

I don't even understand the problem it's trying to solve. Having governments and banks on control of currency isn't a problem for 99.99% of the people, including myself. And what is this "social contract" that has nothing social about it?

And I disagree with you, Bitcoin currently can be manipulated because of its necessary relationship with the US dollar and the reliance on centralized exchanges.