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Reading a Fedi thread between someone who immediately discards @alex 's article about how Pleroma is dead and SoupBox in general for being "transphobic", and someone who fails to see anything hateful about his articles.

I actually think that GNU social JP is the more reasonable side of the conversation.

https://gnusocial.jp/notice/57611
I found that article <https://blog.alexgleason.me/pleroma-is-dead/> by this thread <https://social.076.ne.jp/notice/AMFIAolljZySvrlkEi> during searching by gnu social.

I think this is big news. So I think I will post summarized article in Japanese.

There are no people familiar with pleroma community in Japan now. So I confused about that article.

What do you and pleroma user think about @alex 's article?

I think alex has no illegal act and criminal act (including hate speech).

So I think it is strange for me banning alex from pleroma community by irrelevant to pleroma development/contribution.
> What do you and pleroma user think about @alex 's article?

I learned the hard way that western open source development teams always get caught up in drama sooner or later, it's nothing new.
Not like with Japanese development teams where we're mostly on the same grounds or avoid conflict if we have a different opinion, in the west (欧米) it's enough to have a difference in political opinion to cause a loud break up.

> I think alex has no illegal act and criminal act (including hate speech).

Being able to have hate speech is part of having free speech.
If you can't say anything bad, speech is limited.
However, LGBT people are well known for being particularly soft.
Even saying "there are only 2 genders" or "men have a penis" is considered "hate speech" to them.

But from what I understood, Alex wasn't fighting, it was the other side kicking him out.
@alex, @xianc78, @PhenomX6, can you maybe give more insight?
(If you explain, please use proper English, I don't think GNU social JP's English is at the level to understand slangs or altered terms.)
did you shit out this wall of text just to misrepresent what happened? alex violated the established process of introducing new changes into the codebase, that’s all, he was stripped off maintainer rights because of that and started sperging about trannies and fags
I'm listening to the interview GNU Social JP linked to in his blog post, the only "violation" I could get out of it is that he doesn't like that the default is that all Fedi instances are widely open to everyone so that the ultra sensitive will use blocklists to cut off entire instances for having opinions they don't like, and instead wants to have a model where you don't federate with anyone by default, and then you whitelist the instances you want to federate with.

In the sense of maintaining healthy communities it makes a lot of sense, but for exposure purposes it means you'll need to actually find these instances first.
i dunno about any interviews, he steamrolled quote posts into the master without discussing it with other maintainers or thinking how they will impact non-supporting instances
instead wants to have a model where you don’t federate with anyone by default, and then you whitelist the instances you want to federate with.
that’s the expected level of retardation and anti-community mindset from a former gab and current poast developer. both don’t need a fediverse but need a second twitter where they are in control
he steamrolled quote posts into the master without discussing it with other maintainers or thinking how they will impact non-supporting instances
This is a lie. I merged it into the develop branch of Soapbox BE. And it has a backwards-compatibility feature (that took time to develop!) so you can see a link to the thing being quoted. It’s exactly what Fedibird and Misskey already do.

Please be informed before you spew nonsense, and try to THINK.
that took time to develop!
after you got shat on after introducing the feature without it. i’m not gonna fish for gitlab links now and i honestly don’t understand why are you lying, what’s the purpose in it
No, you're mixing it up with the replying thing.

I said before, the only reason I didn't add backwards-compatibility for the replying thing is because I didn't know how. Someone else figured it out, and I quickly adopted it.

I'm a regular person just like you. I write code. Anyone can do it. I don't have to be held responsible for that, unless you want to speak to my manager?
No, you’re mixing it up with the replying thing
shit, that might be it. sorry

what was the quote post drama then?
I introduced a new feature some people don't like when people were already salty about the replying thing, that's it.
i doubt “some people don’t like” would be a reason gaining enough consensus between maintainers to reject a feature
Quote posts are in my fork, NOT Pleroma upstream. The reason it has an impact is because my fork (Soapbox BE) is used by some of the biggest servers like Poast and Spinster. If you want to change that, then you can attract a big community to use a different software. That's how the Fediverse (and the world) works.
why did you post this at me? I’m saying that “some people don’t like quote posts” is not the real reason your PR was rejected, tell me the truth please
not the real reason your PR was rejected
You’re not making sense. My PR was approved (by me) and merged (by me) into my own repository which I control. Admins who wanted the feature then proceeded to operate my software.

Are you asking why a fraction of the community didn’t like the feature? That’s not for me to answer.
so what was your meltdown about? the one where you compared soapboxbe with misskey? if you didn’t send any PRs into pleroma upstream, what’s the problem?
Here's the important thing: everyone is free here.

Some people seem to think I've done something that is "unfair". They think I'm like Microsoft. But the truth is, I'm some guy in an apartment. I'm playing on the exact same playing field as you and everyone else.

Anyone can do things that change the Fediverse, as long as they have the motivation. If you have a problem with that, you might have a problem with the design of the Fediverse itself.
Potential harrasment of users.
Like it doesn't happen already without it, lol.
as a reminder, the replying thing got introduced to Pleroma (backend) by lain in 2019
No, because Gab defederated and stayed that way.
And Poast just lies about who they defederate.

The idea I can agree with is that you can have a community of friendly instances.
So the auth-left have their echo chamber, the auth-right have their echo chamber, the libertarians have an own space with without authoritarian lunatics interfering, the centrists can choose whichever side they want to federate with.

This completely eliminates the possibilities of hostile takeovers by wokies which we've all witnessed with big tech, the gaming and comic industries, the loycaloyzers, and so on.

Though I didn't say it should be the only way, which is what I'd disagree with on Alex's take.
There are cases where you want to have federation with everyone by default, which is why choice of software you want to use needs to be available.
For example, want an open door policy? Install Fedi software X.
Want a private and invite-only community? Install Fedi software Y.
Want both? Install both on 2 different servers or 1 server under different domain names.
echo chambers are traditionally considered a sin in the West because they prevent evolution of ideas
Authoritarians hate evolution of ideas, they only want to have full control over their already established, fixed ideas.

So give the authoritarians the echo chambers they want, so that libertarians can contribute to a freer and more reasonable society without commies/soycialists/fascists (auth-left) and/or neonazi's/religious boomers (auth-right) getting in the way.
Actually, we technically already have such containment boards.
For example, Mastodong.soycial and Disqordia for the authoritarian left, Gab and Poast for the authoritarian right, 076 SNS, Baraag, Pawoo, and Game Liberty for libertarians.
The auth-left ones niggerlists all the instances that don't align with their political believes the auth-right ones either niggerlists all instances that don't align with their political believes or don't federate at all to begin with, and the libertarian ones (I mean the real ones, not those that claim to be such, and then maintain a 900 zillion pixel high niggerlist) don't block anyone (or just a few because of spam or bots), and in many cases have an "each user decides for him or herself individually who they want to follow or not" policy.
so how do single user instances get into federation?
i’ve read them all. if federation is whitelisted by default, how do single user instances start federating?
To be clear: I was suggesting that ONLY #fediblock adopt whitelist to solve their own problem, not that it's a general solution everyone should adopt.
Either they reach out to instances they want to federate with, or other instances reach out to them.
This is kind of how Pleroma is already, as the public timeline is empty by default, and fills up as you start following or get followed by users of other instances.

Likewise, PeerTube is another example of that; the admin must follow another instance first in order to retrieve content from other PeerTube instances.
This is kind of how Pleroma is alread
no, it isn’t. if i just reply to something, my post will end up on that instance, even if i don’t particularly care about all of its content. some users may like my post, which will force instances of all their followers to fetch my post, which gives better exposure. in your scheme I’m forced to constantly suck janny cocks in order to get seen
Which is why I said "kind of".

> in your scheme I’m forced to constantly suck janny cocks in order to get seen

Then it means you don't understand what I'm saying.
I already said there should be options between no federation by default and with a whitelist (or without), or full federation by default with a blacklist (or without).
There are cases where you want to have a community of like minded people, and there are cases where you want to have an open door policy, depends on which kind of community you want to have.

There's no cock sucking involved with that.
Please excuse pomstan, he’s a bit of a retard.
. @PhenomX6@ryo@xianc78@alex

Hi. I posted about summary of Alex's article in Japanese.

話題: Pleromaトップ開発者Alex Gleasonの開発コミュニティーからの追放 | GNU social JP
https://web.gnusocial.jp/post/2022/08/14/

And I will post about summary of phenomx6's historical post later. I will announce later also.
Hi. Sorry for late. I posted about your posts in Japanese. I understood background about this news. Thank you very much for explanation!

話題: 欧米のFOSSコミュニティーの政治的対立の歴史的経緯
https://web.gnusocial.jp/post/2022/08/21/

@ryo@alex
why does Alex still get credit for my most impactful contribution to soapbox-fe? 😢
If you look into s8n, you'll notice he's borderline suicidal. All of our worst critics hate themselves even more than they hate us. It's our confidence they can't stand.