New blog-post: "My brushstrokes against AI-art" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1007/my-brushstrokes-against-ai-art
(artwork: a concept art for Pepper&Carrot episode 39; Wasabi young.)
New blog-post: "My brushstrokes against AI-art" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1007/my-brushstrokes-against-ai-art
(artwork: a concept art for Pepper&Carrot episode 39; Wasabi young.)
Olivier Saraja ☕️📚🦖🛸👻
•Felix
•David Revoy
•ammoniumperchlorate
•ammoniumperchlorate
•jamais eu la richesse des sous-types du style anime (je pense aux différences entre Astro Boy, Mononoke, Chihiro, Assasination Classroom etc.)
Et puisque vous vous avez posé la question que faire pour vous distinguer de l'arte IA, je voudrais vous dire quelque chose: Votre style est déjà unique et magnifique 😀 J'adore vraiment comment vous avez pris le style anime japonais comme base et ajouté des détail comme on ne les voit jamais dans l'animé classique. C'est déjà quelque chose
ammoniumperchlorate
•David Revoy
•@ammoniumperchlorate Merci pour les mots sympas sur mon style.
C'est sure que je suis également très curieux sur ce que l'intelligence collective des artistes vivants maintenant va produire en réaction à tout cela sur une échelle de 20 à 30 ans d'ici là.
Martelo Schwarz
•rfnix
•that article reminds me that I've heard similar things from photographers who show disdain to the heavily denoised and flat images coming from smartphones and say "noise is good, show more of that!". Which is I guess why some go for analog film b/c of that distinct structure!
Don't you think the next generation of AI art will have a "draw like David" mode? (and I'm not saying it like it's a good thing...)
David Revoy
•@rfnix Interesting for photographer. Yes, I saw a trend toward analog film and also old glitchy or compressed low resolution first gen of digital camera.
You can already ask Stable Diffusion (or any using the LAION-5B database) "in David Revoy style". But the output will not really works as good as for other more famous artist 🙃.
A real "mod" like a special training? Maybe. If what I do will be of value at one point, I'm confident someone will do it (even if I disagree with it).
Mila
•Guillaume ☭:yunohost: :mageia:
•David Revoy
•Trygve Kalland 🇺🇦🇪🇺
•“These developments towards a stronger personal style in my art, though I am pained to admit it, come from the pressure of the existence of AI-generated images.
Should I be grateful for that?”
Be grateful you’ve risen to the challenge. No need to be grateful to the threat to your livelihood.
David Revoy
•Ricky Romero
•This is a gorgeous painting and an interesting take.
I don’t know that these “prompt engineers” are unable to produce this more crafted art style using AI. (If not now, it’s likely only a couple of years away…) The question is, will they ever have the taste to perceive it as an asset rather than a flaw? 😔
Codrus 🇺🇲
•David Revoy
•Mobius Goddess
•F4GRX Sébastien
•David Revoy
•LonM
•David Revoy
•Valentin Petzel
•Valentin Petzel
•... And surely there will be artists who make art by using ML technology. But this does not change that art is more than just the final product.
For example why do I pay for Pepper and Carrot? After all there is already so much stuff readily available online. Well — for one thing because my (by Friday) 5 yo child is a big fan, so I asked him if he wanted to support the comic. But it is also because I care about the process behind it — not the result.
David Revoy
•@valentin_petzel I agree.
And thank him very much! Here is a tiny doodle for his birthday:
Valentin Petzel
•Valentin Petzel
•David Revoy
•John Colagioia
•My opinion shouldn't carry much weight, but I wonder if the real solution to AI art is mostly to just let it run its course. After all, it lacks something much more important than brush strokes: Intended audiences and fitness for a purpose.
An AI might make something "close enough" for a project, but the person making that compromise would probably have just used clip art, in past decades. And it can't do better, because explaining all the context would grow prohibitively expensive.
cliffp
•Every single AI generated image uses learning images fed to the various AI machines. All AI art is based on human art. Every single dot of it.
Without the input of human art, AI art will stagnate. Without human input, from the front end by instructions, or in the back end by scanned and analysed art, AI art is going nowhere.
Treat it like a complex brush, and remember that AI is by nature derivative. It's not the brush strokes that make yours original but the input of your brain.
Júlio Gardona
•Ray Of Sunlight
•Shark Attak
•Not because it can't be good, but cause it will surely exploited to pay people less, so..
Arne Babenhauserheide
•I like seeing more of the artistic side, but keep in mind that also for the craft side, we’re far from being at the end of the road.
There will still be people pushing the boundaries of how to make a canvas appear real — be it digital or analog — and AI can only make their techniques available to many more, but not invent new ones (at least for now).
David Revoy
•⏳ Process:
#krita #MastoArt #ArtWithOpenSource
Kiran 🏳️⚧️
•Tyler Mumford
•Lloyd Weehuizen
•Thomas Frans 🇺🇦
•Starbeamrainbowlabs
•This is so cool! The trick there of getting the shape right in black and white first before adding colour through filter(?) layers is such a neat idea!
Drawing people is very difficult for me atm, so always interested in learning new tricks.
Great artwork - thanks so much for sharing with all of us ❤
David Revoy
•Getting started with Krita (1/3)
David RevoyI'm listening
•Mahid (Moved to infosec.space)
•That last point about AI causing stronger styles is something I haven't really thought about but now can't stop thinking about
As a 3D artist, I can't really use stuff like brushstrokes, but I have noticed in the past year I've been moving towards more complex texturing and materials (which is unusual for the specific subject matter I work with)
I'm interested to see what larger scale effects we'll start to see over the next couple of years
David Revoy
•Very interesting to read your feedback with the 3D point of view.
felix (grayscale) 🐺
•also note, this era of generative-ML art is fundamentally bad at 3d. they fake 3d with 2d patterns that look good locally, but don't make sense in an actual scene. this becomes noticeable as incoherent lighting/shadows, inconsistent vanishing points, etc.
these are things that human artists get wrong too, so it's not a super reliable indicator, but generative-ML is often weirdly very good at some things and very bad at other things, in a way that humans aren't
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•The way I see it there’s two aspects of this. The continued breakdown of capitalism (the move towards post scarcity) and the extreme hoarding of wealth. This scares us, as we still need money to live.
Then it’s the human aspect. Are we becoming obsolete somehow? Are we being copied?
In the first case it’s political. Pretty sure it’s easy to figure out how I lean there.
But in the second case I think humans in the end crave a human connection. Even if a computer could churn out music and art by itself, it would lack a human connection. Someone writing a prompt isn’t enough.
Art is an exchange between humans ultimately, imho. Viewing your art (since I’m replying to you) means more to me because I know you (as in I read your posts, have seen videos, follow you. I’m not stalking😀).
Imho I think it’s valuable for artists to remember that.
Using someone’s work to train an “AI” without their consent is imho unethical. Consent works on many levels.
With that said, what
... show moreThe way I see it there’s two aspects of this. The continued breakdown of capitalism (the move towards post scarcity) and the extreme hoarding of wealth. This scares us, as we still need money to live.
Then it’s the human aspect. Are we becoming obsolete somehow? Are we being copied?
In the first case it’s political. Pretty sure it’s easy to figure out how I lean there.
But in the second case I think humans in the end crave a human connection. Even if a computer could churn out music and art by itself, it would lack a human connection. Someone writing a prompt isn’t enough.
Art is an exchange between humans ultimately, imho. Viewing your art (since I’m replying to you) means more to me because I know you (as in I read your posts, have seen videos, follow you. I’m not stalking😀).
Imho I think it’s valuable for artists to remember that.
Using someone’s work to train an “AI” without their consent is imho unethical. Consent works on many levels.
With that said, what’s your thoughts of having your own personal AI assistant that is exclusively fed by you? Whatever form that would take. A computer, tablet, and software could be seen as an assistant after all.
Just some thoughts. Even if I’m not an artist (can’t draw a stick figure that’s any good) I like reading your thoughts on the subject. Again the human aspect.
Looking forward to the next chapter. I swear she had a bit of a manga inspiration when I watched the sped up video😀
Lost Prophet 🇵🇸
•Pool dessins
•Pool dessins
•DECAY
•This is not specific to AI, since 2000 there is a large standardisation movement in arts in general. It's really noticeable in music.
My position is if you want something that sounds/looks like everything else you should definitly use an AI or use the work of someone who likes to make standardized art.
I don't really like to make standardized music so I mostly don't do any. And I think it's fine, there is room for any kind of art in the world.
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Brian
•Ryuno-Ki
•Thanks for writing up your thoughts.
Now I'm not a digital artist but if you allow me to extend it to creatives, I feel I can contribute a little to the conversation.
In my opinion, there will be a countercurrent to AI generated work: the human factor.
When I read up about design, I've learned that the industry is pretty individualistic: the art is the identifying factor of the artist.
This could weaken you.
Let me explain:
Cute_Slime
•I love to see your evolution on this subject, AI can be terrifying, but at the same time is unavoidable.
even if you are not for it, you clearly grow from it and didn't let IA push you down.
for all artist that fear IA, don't worry, you will always be better than some lambda using IA.
I have seen what a true artist can do with IA, and it's really amazing, the fact that he is an artist play a major role on the result, IA is just a new tool, powerful indeed, but a tool.