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I was asking myself the same kind of question when 3d artwork started to arise vs 2d artwork in early 2000 (for me). At the time I was a poor artist with both, but I understand that for now on, good "prompters" will be able to make outstanding art within milliseconds. Luckily, these present days, there is still a societal resistance to IA-Generatives although, yes, this can be mesmerizing.
Good write-up. As to your concluding question: I don't know, but it's a glorious portrait. That's the most important thing.
je crois qu'il y a une autre différence très importante : Tandis que le CGI statistique / "arte IA" ne fait que reproduire la distribution de probabilité de ses données d'entraînement, les artistes humains sont capables de réfléchir sur l'esthétique de leur style et le faire évoluer. Par exemple, le style animé japonais a beaucoup changé depuis les années 1960s où il a été conçu - si on avait utilisé du CGI statistique pour produire des nouveaux animés a cette époque, on n'aurait

jamais eu la richesse des sous-types du style anime (je pense aux différences entre Astro Boy, Mononoke, Chihiro, Assasination Classroom etc.)

Et puisque vous vous avez posé la question que faire pour vous distinguer de l'arte IA, je voudrais vous dire quelque chose: Votre style est déjà unique et magnifique 😀 J'adore vraiment comment vous avez pris le style anime japonais comme base et ajouté des détail comme on ne les voit jamais dans l'animé classique. C'est déjà quelque chose

que l'"IA" d'aujourd'hui ne peut pas faire du tout (et desolée si je parle du non-sens d'un point de vue artistique, je suis physicienne 😅)

@ammoniumperchlorate :blobaww: Merci pour les mots sympas sur mon style.

C'est sure que je suis également très curieux sur ce que l'intelligence collective des artistes vivants maintenant va produire en réaction à tout cela sur une échelle de 20 à 30 ans d'ici là.

Thanks for the insightful text. Really enjoyed reading it.

that article reminds me that I've heard similar things from photographers who show disdain to the heavily denoised and flat images coming from smartphones and say "noise is good, show more of that!". Which is I guess why some go for analog film b/c of that distinct structure!

Don't you think the next generation of AI art will have a "draw like David" mode? (and I'm not saying it like it's a good thing...)

@rfnix Interesting for photographer. Yes, I saw a trend toward analog film and also old glitchy or compressed low resolution first gen of digital camera.

You can already ask Stable Diffusion (or any using the LAION-5B database) "in David Revoy style". But the output will not really works as good as for other more famous artist 🙃.

A real "mod" like a special training? Maybe. If what I do will be of value at one point, I'm confident someone will do it (even if I disagree with it).

This was a really interesting post. It made me think how real artwork has a sort of history of how it got the final form. Through a series of brushstrokes essentially. And I think this is something that will be very difficult to reproduce in AI art because training on videos of people drawing will take so much more energy and time than just training on static pictures.
merci ça me fait une belle photo de verrouillage de téléphone

“These developments towards a stronger personal style in my art, though I am pained to admit it, come from the pressure of the existence of AI-generated images.

Should I be grateful for that?”

Be grateful you’ve risen to the challenge. No need to be grateful to the threat to your livelihood.

@trygvekalland Thank you. That's indeed a better way to look at it. 👍

This is a gorgeous painting and an interesting take.

I don’t know that these “prompt engineers” are unable to produce this more crafted art style using AI. (If not now, it’s likely only a couple of years away…) The question is, will they ever have the taste to perceive it as an asset rather than a flaw? 😔

I've taken a number of Art History courses in college so far. It really is a historical trend for artists to become more "painterly" as they learn more. Titian started with perfectly smooth paintings, and by the end of his (very long) life he had brushstrokes everywhere. You're in good company!
@codrusofathens Haha, thanks for mentioning this. Yes, it feels like when the classic painters faced photography and new art movement like expressionism, impressionism, etc... started to exist. Maybe I'm just revisiting this unconsciously, 150 years later.
I think that AI gen will have to be fought. Politically/legally, and then by using tools that try to protect your style against counterfeit machine like Glaze/Nightshade.
I was thinking this recently with respect to LLMs and text. It can push you to refine what you're doing to be a bit more different and diverse. But there are limits. At what point does your approach, changed to be distinct from AI, stop being your own approach?
@LonM It's an interesting question. I'll probably see that with a bit of temporal distance, when I'll look back at what I'm doing now, if I feel like "oh my... I was really exploring edges of my own style". Because I'm confident time will always 'recenter' my style where it should be. I just hope that I'm closer to it, and not taking distance with it. 🙂
@LonM
I do believe that there is more to art than what AI can easily replace. To be fair - style is always replicable, and often not that specific. What is the real difference between AI copying some artist and some student copying some artist? Art does have a dimension that is completely abstract from the thing in question. A painting in the style of the Mona Lisa still is not the same as the Mona Lisa. Art is more than just production of repetitive stuff. ...

... And surely there will be artists who make art by using ML technology. But this does not change that art is more than just the final product.

For example why do I pay for Pepper and Carrot? After all there is already so much stuff readily available online. Well — for one thing because my (by Friday) 5 yo child is a big fan, so I asked him if he wanted to support the comic. But it is also because I care about the process behind it — not the result.

@valentin_petzel I agree.

And thank him very much! Here is a tiny doodle for his birthday:

Carrot blowing 5 candles
Thank you very much, I'm sure he'll love it!

My opinion shouldn't carry much weight, but I wonder if the real solution to AI art is mostly to just let it run its course. After all, it lacks something much more important than brush strokes: Intended audiences and fitness for a purpose.

An AI might make something "close enough" for a project, but the person making that compromise would probably have just used clip art, in past decades. And it can't do better, because explaining all the context would grow prohibitively expensive.

Every single AI generated image uses learning images fed to the various AI machines. All AI art is based on human art. Every single dot of it.

Without the input of human art, AI art will stagnate. Without human input, from the front end by instructions, or in the back end by scanned and analysed art, AI art is going nowhere.

Treat it like a complex brush, and remember that AI is by nature derivative. It's not the brush strokes that make yours original but the input of your brain.

AI art is cool when you need references. Thei dont have expression. All ai art seems generic to me. Thei are the same noses, the same eyes, the same lightning and colors.
Funny thing: AI-Generated Art has no copyright because it only protects HUMAN work, not AI-Generated Work, also, yeah, relying on AI Art it's just lazy.
I can't say I have the time and eye to discern AI art, so I take a simple approach: If it has AI on, I don't watch. Not interested.
Not because it can't be good, but cause it will surely exploited to pay people less, so..

I like seeing more of the artistic side, but keep in mind that also for the craft side, we’re far from being at the end of the road.

There will still be people pushing the boundaries of how to make a canvas appear real — be it digital or analog — and AI can only make their techniques available to many more, but not invent new ones (at least for now).

wowow!!!! it's always mesmerising to watch your drawing process!!! The drawing looks soo good!!
My goodness, that's awe-inspiring.
this is amazing, thank you for sharing! My 9 year old son would like to know how long this took you?
It's always fun watching a black and white shape turn into artwork.

This is so cool! The trick there of getting the shape right in black and white first before adding colour through filter(?) layers is such a neat idea!

Drawing people is very difficult for me atm, so always interested in learning new tricks.

Great artwork - thanks so much for sharing with all of us ❤

That last point about AI causing stronger styles is something I haven't really thought about but now can't stop thinking about

As a 3D artist, I can't really use stuff like brushstrokes, but I have noticed in the past year I've been moving towards more complex texturing and materials (which is unusual for the specific subject matter I work with)

I'm interested to see what larger scale effects we'll start to see over the next couple of years

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@standingpad Same, I'm very curious.
Very interesting to read your feedback with the 3D point of view.

also note, this era of generative-ML art is fundamentally bad at 3d. they fake 3d with 2d patterns that look good locally, but don't make sense in an actual scene. this becomes noticeable as incoherent lighting/shadows, inconsistent vanishing points, etc.

these are things that human artists get wrong too, so it's not a super reliable indicator, but generative-ML is often weirdly very good at some things and very bad at other things, in a way that humans aren't

The flowing of the fabric is so beautiful!
Salut David, intéressante et intense réflexion. Comme je commence à me faire vieux, ta réaction me fait penser à celle que j'avais eu en redécouvrant les Marvel's Comics et à la déception ressentie face aux dessins par trop "léchés" et "lisses" de cette nouvelle mouture par rapport au "Strange" de mon adolescence. Les outils digitaux ont certes aidé à la production d'images toujours plus complexes et "pétantes" mais ils ont par ailleurs formaté l'oeil de celui qui regarde.
Il est de plus en plus difficile de percevoir l'âme, au sens poétique du terme, d'un artiste derrière l'œuvre tant nos yeux sont de plus en plus bombardés d'images policées et "propres". L'IA nous relègue au rang de tâcherons, superviseurs désabusés du travail de la machine. Pour moi la vraie question est : quelle est notre valeur ajoutée ? Quelle est notre poésie ? Devons-nous nous soumettre à cette vision uniformisée et standardisée ou, comme chaque fois, nous rebeller ? 🙂👍

This is not specific to AI, since 2000 there is a large standardisation movement in arts in general. It's really noticeable in music.

My position is if you want something that sounds/looks like everything else you should definitly use an AI or use the work of someone who likes to make standardized art.
I don't really like to make standardized music so I mostly don't do any. And I think it's fine, there is room for any kind of art in the world.
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I love visible strokes, so I'm happy to see you leaving them, but in a similar way to @cliffp and @yon comments, I think the real uniqueness comes from the simple fact that you are a person like us, who has similar struggles, your own experiences and views on the world, which all play a part in how and what you draw, our personal life experiences can't be copied by a machine (or human for that matter). 1/3

Thanks for writing up your thoughts.

Now I'm not a digital artist but if you allow me to extend it to creatives, I feel I can contribute a little to the conversation.

In my opinion, there will be a countercurrent to AI generated work: the human factor.

When I read up about design, I've learned that the industry is pretty individualistic: the art is the identifying factor of the artist.

This could weaken you.

Let me explain:

Hi!
I love to see your evolution on this subject, AI can be terrifying, but at the same time is unavoidable.
even if you are not for it, you clearly grow from it and didn't let IA push you down.
for all artist that fear IA, don't worry, you will always be better than some lambda using IA.
I have seen what a true artist can do with IA, and it's really amazing, the fact that he is an artist play a major role on the result, IA is just a new tool, powerful indeed, but a tool.
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