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People in #Rotterdam protesting because they want to keep their "right" to party....When hospitals are overcrowded, health-care staff is overworked, there is a housing crisis, energy prices are through the roof, etc... And these... I don't like to call people names, but I cannot find a polite way to refer to them... these people protest for their right to party. To party?!?! I just can't...

Coming from a country where people protest to be able to make ends meet, protest against the rampant corruption of politicians and the economical elite, where people lose their lives fighting for the well-being of their neighbors... Seeing these first-world protests fills me with disgust. These people will surely go down in history as the biggest jackasses to have ever used the word 'protest'

#rant #nederland #netherlands
That's a good point @Hans, although there is a big overlap between both groups
@Hans
Hello again @Hans What exactly have you seen, News reports on your TV ? There are many reasons why people riot, it is after all a traditional and legitimate form of protest.

With the second highest infection rate in Europe, do you not think that protesting against the government policies which has led to this is legitimate ?
@Hans
Legitimate? It is like protesting for lack of houses by burning down houses. It makes absolutely no sense.
I consider killing to be a worse offense than "violence" to property. The right is more known for the former while the left is known more for the latter. But it appears that there was burning and looting at these events as well. Is Hans exhibiting his ideological biases here?
https://youtu.be/6xBwdZDL--c

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/19/the-netherlands-rotterdam-police-open-fire-as-covid-protest-turns-violent
Whether people are labeled "hooligan" or "protester", mostly depends on the ideology of the labeler.
I also would like very much to see the source for the opinion that and where Hans is biased.

It is easy to write nonsense, but here we are interested in serious discussions in the spirit of mutual respect.

Thus: Let go, Joe ;-)
As someone who generally does like protesters, I have to agree that these protesters are stupid. Other protesters are smarter, protesting for smarter reasons. I do think you are correct to make a distinction between the ones making trouble and those who are there to protest peacefully, however, I know from my own personal experience that even peaceful protesters are often provoked into violence by the police. When people get angry, they get stupider, and do stupid things.
Let me ask you: Do you make the same distinction for a BLM or a leftist inspired "riot". If so, I may have misunderstood you.
I have no personal experience with the situation in Rotterdam, or in Europe in general. I was basing my statements on your statements and the conversation you were having.
@Hans
Were the people involved in this "violence" all migrants then ? What chances do any working class youth have, regardless of their ethnicity ?

Destruction of property is not violence, the police are breaking heads, that is violence.The governments maintain their hold on the monopoly of "legitimate" violence.
@Hans I was referring to the looters specifically. What drives people to protest against covid regulations is another story altogether, stemming, imho, from the enhanced individualism and selfishness that western democracies have inculcated in their population for the last decades.
@Hans